Members Art Thebes Posted June 26, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 It has been 151 days. I eat when I can. But it is only ever a steak or a pork chop on the grill; I cannot remember the last time I had side dishes. I have used the same plate, fork and knife since I first started making myself eat again. I do not really sleep anymore. I never have slept much, I consider it a waste of time, and I have been that way, for the last 43 years. I should be sleeping now, but it’s after 4am, and I dozed off in front of my laptop around midnight, and I looked at the clock when I awoke; it said quarter to two am. Good enough, for a few more days, I suppose. I cry at the littlest things. It was just Father’s Day, and someone gave me a nice bit and tool set for my Dewalt Drill and impact set. Those tools are gone now too. I felt poorly about how I reacted, and I think I was able to convince them that their heart and “the thought that counts” was in the right place; but I know they had purchased it, at least 152 or more days ago, because I still had my tools then. I spend hours a day, at least four or more in a row, just staring blankly at nothing, until my watch buzzes, and I take my next dose of Valium and Adderall. I just took them, so I should hopefully be able to think and concentrate for the next few hours; or failing that, until I finish this letter. Let me back up: It had been exceedingly difficult the past few years and it was New Year’s Eve. My wife tried to clink glasses with me, and she saw my face; it was full of worry, foreboding and silent tears were dripping down my cheeks. “What’s wrong?” She asked. I said that while I had loved her, since long before we had “met” (same friends, but we never hung out or talked, until one day, a little more than 20 years ago, and we had been best friends and madly in love, ever since.), and that I would love her, until long after the sun had burnt out and time itself ground to a halt, that we had done this tradition every year. However, since she had been diagnosed with cancer in 03, we clink glasses on New Years and say “THIS year will be better. I KNOW it will”, and every year had gotten more difficult: loss of jobs and income, our autistic 17yr old son had been exhibited signs of schizophrenia, the last of my family (except my wife and our three children) had passed away, a jealous neighbor had started a rumor that ruined my wife’s reputation, and literally ALL of my friends had moved out of state or the country. I told her that I felt like our tradition had become bad luck. “it’s not like it can get any worse!” She said with a smile, that little giggle that sounded like bells; she kissed me at midnight, we clinked our glasses and said “THIS was the year things were going to be better” It was not and it will not. I am NOT going into specifics, because I am posting this anonymously, and the devil is in the details, and they may reveal my identity and aspects of our life that are private I am ONLY doing this, because my last and ONLY friend, who lives more than a thousand miles away, said that I had to, no, NEEDED to tell someone, anyone; just “write it down, and someone will read it. You may not have peace from it, but maybe, just MAYBE, someone else won’t feel so alone in the world”. So here I am. it was just a couple weeks later. I had a long holiday season at work. I remember that I was hungry and exhausted. My wife told me that she had put a steak in some marinade, there was potatoes in the oven, and some veggies left on the stove. The kids had gone to bed. I could still hear the girls whispering and giggling in their room; as I slipped my loafers off, loosened my tie, and put my slippers on, I hollered through the closed door, that I loved them, but it’s late, there’s school tomorrow, and it was time to go to sleep. My son was snoring as I passed his room; I put my hand on his door and I heard a muffled “love you dad”; I softly replied that I loved him too, and heard the familiar creek of his bed, as he rolled over and went back to sleep. I remember sitting down on the couch. My wife was doing her usual “multitasking” of crocheting a blanket for one of our daughter’s friends, watching the tv, and somehow was on her phone, commenting in one of her cancer survivors’ rooms. She also had ADHD; not as bad as mine (or so she used to taunt me, because she only had to take two 30mg pills a day, vs the fact that I cannot function with less than four. (I worked in high pressure liquor sales at the time)). I sat down, and she looked at me over glasses, with that special smile she reserved for just me, and said “baby, go grill your steak. Eat something and we can go to bed”. How I wish I had done just that. I told her that it was almost midnight, I had worked a 14hr day, we were all set with a huge order and were set to make a lot of money from it; I had even secured an entire case of her favorite wine, in the deal. However, I was feeling beat to a pulp, and I just needed to sit for a minute. She squeezed my hand, smiled again and went back to her ever rotating conglomeration of thread, needles (“hooks” she would always correct me), phone, tablet, and remote for the television. I smiled back at her, said “I love you” and closed my eyes... just for a second, or so I thought. I remember being confused at all the flashing lights and thinking “weird, it’s not Christmas”. And then I noticed all the ambulances, police officers and strangely, the scent of falling snow. I was lying down, and there were worried faces, people in uniform scurrying about, and this pretty blonde lady that in my mind, will always be the local pool lifeguard as a recently graduated high school teen; I no longer remember her name. She was alternately checking me, telling me “everything is going to be ok, that I was safe and VERY lucky”, and constantly yelling at a very overweight and gruff policeman. Apparently, he was repeatedly asking me questions; although, I had no idea he was talking to me, or rather at me, and he didn’t seem to be actually interested in what, or if I had anything to say; he just kept writing and talking. Our local pool lifeguard was taking my blood pressure again, and I closed my eyes. I think it was a full day or two later, when I finally awoke. That was the last time I actually “slept”. I think there was a nurse, as she was wearing scrubs, the same police officer, someone who was clearly his boss, as he had more stripes and a more “official” looking uniform, and some other people were there; officials of some sort, but I cannot remember whom or from where or why, exactly they were there, or the questions they asked. All I remember is this: My wife was dead. My son was dead. My 12yr old daughter was dead. My 16yr old daughter had been “finally found”; she must have gone upstairs to rescue our three dogs, as she was discovered next to their kennels. The house was gone, and under no circumstances, was I to go back there, until the investigation was concluded. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING inside of me suddenly broke, and it will NEVER be fixed, put right, or come back together again. I will never see the love of my life again. I will never see my son again. I will never see my daughters again. I will never feel the warmth of my dogs again. I will never have my home, my wife, my children or ANYTHING that I knew; anything that truly mattered, anything that made me special or feel joy, happiness or loved, EVER AGAIN. I have nothing. I am nothing. I am a little more than a shadow; a walking, living shade of the man I once was. I do not have a home. I do not even use that word anymore. I do not have hope. I do not have joy. I cannot eat. My watch “yells” at me that I am only eating about 600cal every few days, and that I am only sleeping about 8-10hrs a week, and that it’s all deep sleep; no REM, no “healthy” light sleep, no movement, and it asks if I have had any dreams. I have not dreamt in 151 days. I do not have a job. I do not have more than a couple hundred dollars left to my name. I do not have ANYTHING. I have nothing and I am nothing. Everything and everyone that made me something is now gone... forever. I do not have any family. I have ONE friend; I cannot bear how people look at me, so I do not, EVER, go back to my old community. I CANNOT go back. I am not ALLOWED to go to what used to be my home, my life, or my precious family. I will never see my little girl’s smile again. I will never have to complain about her sister “always being on her phone” again. I will never get to build a model rocket with my son again. I will never have the perfect, most blissful sensation of climbing into bed; even though I rarely slept before, I’ll never feel the warmth of my wife’s skin on mine, wrap my arm around her, have her sleepily fumble for my hand, squeeze it, wriggle as close as she can and mumble “I love you”, while I kiss her neck and shoulders and whisper in her ear, “I love you too princess; sweet dreams”, and just enjoy lying there, listening to her breathing, and the quiet peace of my home; snoring dogs, girls that should have been sleeping hours ago, and the sweet little humming sound my son made, while he slept. It was Father’s Day, this past weekend. Next week is my birthday. I will NEVER celebrate another holiday again. It has been 151 days, and while I am able to accept my situation and my circumstances, I will never reach a point of hope again. I have suffered much grief in my life; not as much as some, but certainly more than most. I no longer have a soul. I no longer have any hope. I no longer have any joy. I no longer have a home or a family. i am nothing now. everything that ever mattered, has been torn away, taken from me, and left me forever and irreparably broken. i am nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted June 26, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 I don't think I've ever read a harder post. You lost EVERYONE??? At once??? I am so sorry! I can't imagine... I want to invite you to come here and post or read any time...this is one place that "gets" the emotions and feelings we go through with the greatest loss of our lives. I can't claim to understand what it's like to be hit with so many at once because mine were one at a time.But I care and I'm listening. And while this article may seem trite in comparison to your great loss, I hope something in it helps you...in my case it was taking one day at a time...I can't think about 40 years looming ahead, but I can do today...just today...then I get up and do it all over. Just breathing can be a feat sometimes. TIPS TO MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH GRIEF There's no way to sum up how to go on in a simple easy answer, but I encourage you to read the other threads here, little by little you will learn how to make your way through this. I do want to give you some pointers though, of some things I've learned on my journey. Take one day at a time. The Bible says each day has enough trouble of it's own, I've found that to be true, so don't bite off more than you can chew. It can be challenging enough just to tackle today. I tell myself, I only have to get through today. Then I get up tomorrow and do it all over again. To think about the "rest of my life" invites anxiety. Don't be afraid, grief may not end but it evolves. The intensity lessens eventually. Visit your doctor. Tell them about your loss, any troubles sleeping, suicidal thoughts, anxiety attacks. They need to know these things in order to help you through it...this is all part of grief. Suicidal thoughts are common in early grief. If they're reoccurring, call a suicide hotline. I felt that way early on, but then realized it wasn't that I wanted to die so much as I didn't want to go through what I'd have to face if I lived. Back to taking a day at a time. Suicide Hotline - Call 1-800-273-8255 Give yourself permission to smile. It is not our grief that binds us to them, but our love, and that continues still. Try not to isolate too much. There's a balance to reach between taking time to process our grief, and avoiding it...it's good to find that balance for yourself. We can't keep so busy as to avoid our grief, it has a way of haunting us, finding us, and demanding we pay attention to it! Some people set aside time every day to grieve. I didn't have to, it searched and found me! Self-care is extremely important, more so than ever. That person that would have cared for you is gone, now you're it...learn to be your own best friend, your own advocate, practice self-care. You'll need it more than ever. Recognize that your doctor isn't trained in grief, find a professional grief counselor that is. We need help finding ourselves through this maze of grief, knowing where to start, etc. They have not only the knowledge, but the resources. In time, consider a grief support group. If your friends have not been through it themselves, they may not understand what you're going through, it helps to find someone somewhere who DOES "get it". Be patient, give yourself time. There's no hurry or timetable about cleaning out belongings, etc. They can wait, you can take a year, ten years, or never deal with it. It's okay, it's what YOU are comfortable with that matters. Know that what we are comfortable with may change from time to time. That first couple of years I put his pictures up, took them down, up, down, depending on whether it made me feel better or worse. Finally, they were up to stay. Consider a pet. Not everyone is a pet fan, but I've found that my dog helps immensely. It's someone to love, someone to come home to, someone happy to see me, someone that gives me a purpose...I have to come home and feed him. Besides, they're known to relieve stress. Well maybe not in the puppy stage when they're chewing up everything, but there's older ones to adopt if you don't relish that stage. Make yourself get out now and then. You may not feel interest in anything, things that interested you before seem to feel flat now. That's normal. Push yourself out of your comfort zone just a wee bit now and then. Eating out alone, going to a movie alone or church alone, all of these things are hard to do at first. You may feel you flunked at it, cried throughout, that's okay, you did it, you tried, and eventually you get a little better at it. If I waited until I had someone to do things with I'd be stuck at home a lot. Keep coming here. We've been through it and we're all going through this together. Look for joy in every day. It will be hard to find at first, but in practicing this, it will change your focus so you can embrace what IS rather than merely focusing on what ISN'T. It teaches you to live in the present and appreciate fully. You have lost your big joy in life, and all other small joys may seem insignificant in comparison, but rather than compare what used to be to what is, learn the ability to appreciate each and every small thing that comes your way...a rainbow, a phone call from a friend, unexpected money, a stranger smiling at you, whatever the small joy, embrace it. It's an art that takes practice and is life changing if you continue it. Eventually consider volunteering. It helps us when we're outward focused, it's a win/win. (((hugs))) Praying for you today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted June 27, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 thank you. I appreciate and am glad for your kindness. I tried to read what you had wrote... but of course, the page started at the top and I had to see what few details that I decided to post, over and over again. I got lost. I'm sorry. give me a day or two, and I'll read your post again and try my best to follow any advice, instructions, or whatever it is that will make this living hell stop, go away, or... well, just not matter anymore; much in the way that I do not matter anymore. feel free to message me. I honestly didn't expect to come back on; however, I received a notification that said my attention was needed. as I no longer have anyone to socialize with, such as "friends", people I worked with, people that I've known for years and decades, my family... I don't know anyone anymore. It's not yet day 152 @ 2100hrs, and it's only "noon" for me. talk if you want, or pull and tug if you must... I'll do what I can, when I can. again, my thanks. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted June 27, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Your story shook me to the core, so much loss. I cried as I read, such a painful phenomenon, multiple losses must be overwhelming. I don’t even know how one begins to process this, I am so sorry! I have read that our brains kick into to some mode, shock and extreme trauma, overload! The reality I that we need to grieve every loss, specific to person we we lose. This is emotionally and physically exhausting. People here say keeping a journal helps. My heart goes out to you, suffering from survivors guilt is complicated and depressing. It’s impossible to understand, please know you are not alone. Please keep coming back and read some threads, post when you need to vent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted June 27, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 thank you. i will try. it's 4.5hrs away from 152 days... i just found a bunch of shared files. and even tho i made the mistakes i made, things i forgot, things missed, things argued about... i just found those letters that were never meaning to be sent; just wirtten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted June 27, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 @ArtThebes Thank you for sharing your story. I know that probably wasn’t easy to write. There are no words that can express how awful I feel for you. Saying I am sorry for your loss seems insignificant. So much loss at once would have likely made me give up. I lost my husband almost 5 months ago and if it weren’t for my daughter I would have given up. I am on antidepressants, medication to help me sleep and have been working with a therapist and I am still a mess some days. Please come back to chat and check in. I think you will find that there are people here that can and will “talk” with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted June 27, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 I've had a few beers. no, I'm not drunk. I'd like to be. I'd like to be anything but here right now. day 152 begins anytime now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted June 27, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Art, none of can begin to imagine what it must be like to lose your whole family but I think most of us would wish it had been us instead as going on seems way too daunting. This will necessitate professional counseling, which I hope you're getting or going to get as just navigating loss of spouse is hard enough. I'm sure I'd want to drink too and I don't even drink! But keep in mind alcohol is a depressant, not what you need more of right now. Keep coming here, keep expressing your pain, it helps not to bottle it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted June 28, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Art, You have suffered an unimaginable loss. There are hardly words that can express my sorrow for you and your family. I just want to tell you that you can talk about whatever you want here. You can relay as much or as little as is comfortable for you. We do not judge each other. This truly is a support group. We may express our concern if one of our members seems about to walk off a cliff, so to speak. What we will not do is tell you how you should think, feel, or act. And we will always listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted June 28, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 @ArtThebes I have started drinking wine every night, I am not getting drunk either, it helps numb the pain. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Whatever helps you cope, of course it’s only my perspective. No one had a perfect marriage, those files you never sent are okay. All couples bicker now and then, it’s heathy if done in the right way. Now that my sweet pea is gone I see things so clearly, sometimes I feel I was so adequate. You might be stuck in a place you can’t navigate out of at the present time. We cannot let the grief consume us, I struggle with this to. You were a good Husband, good Father, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gpsybld Posted June 28, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 I am so very sorry for your losses. I cant imagine the grief you are dealing with. Just know that you are not alone in this world, though it may seem empty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted June 30, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Quote @Missy1 I have started drinking wine every night, I am not getting drunk either, it helps numb the pain. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Whatever helps you cope, of course it’s only my perspective. No one had a perfect marriage, those files you never sent are okay. All couples bicker now and then, it’s heathy if done in the right way. Now that my sweet pea is gone I see things so clearly, sometimes I feel I was so adequate. You might be stuck in a place you can’t navigate out of at the present time. We cannot let the grief consume us, I struggle with this to. You were a good Husband, good Father, i hope so... all i have is pain and regret. i saw an old friend of my wifes online, about an hour or so ago... all we did was argue. and i feel awful, because all i can see is MY PAIN... i am SO SORRY, to any and all that i've ever hurt. i'd apologize for the big things... but really, i'm sorry i didn't grab a cup of coffee, when you asked. i'm sorry i forgot your birthday. i'm sorry that i lived in a world that a "smartphone" had to tell me your phone number, email, address and special dates. please forgive me... i am so sorry. i want to say that i love you all... but i don't even know if i understand what love is anymore. what it feels like.i read your stories. i read your comments. i cry and i cry and i cry and i cry and i cry... i cried so long and hard the other day... i guess this would be somehow humorous... but i literally couldn't physically cry anymore... i had just ... snot? eye "boogers"? i dunno... but thats all that came out, after sobbing. than you for being her for me. i am so sorry that i cannot find a place to be, and truly be with all of you. i guess i'm still playing the "who had the sh1++iest day" and it was me... and i actually just made yours worse. i am so sorry. all i know is anger, pain, loss... i am less than nothing. i feel like i'm even letting all of you down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted June 30, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 20 hours ago, ArtThebes said: i guess i'm still playing the "who had the sh1++iest day" and it was me... and i actually just made yours worse. No, you need to understand that you did not make our days worse. Our days cannot really be made worse that way because our own grief is, well, our own and nothing can override that. Here's the thing about playing "whose loss is worst": The worst loss will always be our own because it happened to us. There's no competition because each is unique, each is truly the worst when we're living with it. I completely understand why you feel--and know--that your loss is the worst. For you, it will always be. Now, it's true that most, if not all, of us have not had that many deep losses all at once. That makes our hearts hurt for you, but does not make us feel it's a competition. We want you to talk about whatever your are feeling. We want you to tell us what you can, when you can, and as you are able. We do not want you to give us any details or information unless it's right for you. It's concerning that you believe you are less than nothing, though most of us understand that feeling all too well. You have lost so much that it's natural you'd feel that way now. But you are not nothing and your life is not nothing. From what you've described, you are not to blame. Falling asleep after a long, tiring day is not a fault; it's a normal response. Yet, we also know that guilt that comes with being the one left behind. The only one we can blame is ourselves because we're here and alive, and the ones we love most in the world are not. Please, try to start thinking about the fact that you are human and imperfect, but that does not make you at fault and it does not make you nothing. And keep coming here to talk about it, no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted June 30, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Amen to foreverhis' response. Please keep talking here, it really does help to get it out. Don't worry about us, just do YOU, that's enough. No need to apologize. We are all sorry that someone else has to to through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted June 30, 2020 Members Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 hours ago, foreverhis said: Now, it's true that most, if not all, of us have not had that many deep losses all at once. That makes our hearts hurt for you, but does not make us feel it's a competition. This, absolutely this! It is not a competition or even a comparison.......more that I wanted to acknowledge that you lost so much.......I hurt for you. Nothing you have “said” has made me feel worse. I hope that you continue to come here and “talk”. I know that you may feel like nothing right now but you aren’t. You are someone. ((HUGS)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 @ArtThebes I learned this....I never understood why some cultures have a wailing. I never even cried much except at sad movies, I find myself wailing on the floor, yes, in a puddle of snot. The pain in our soul from the loss is so overwhelming our language fails to express how one feels. I walk around talking to myself and to my husband and saying “I miss you so much” seems so inadequate to describe my feelings. My guts have been torn out, I don’t want to live without my heart and soul either. Your loss is so traumatic, let yourself grief...but don’t go down the black hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted July 1, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 @Missy1, @jwahlquist, @KayC, @foreverhis thank you all for your kind words and encouragement. i was in a REALLY bad place last night. today is my birthday. fathers day and birthday, all within a week... i am SO LOST. at least with all of you, i am .... yes, alone... but somehow, LESS alone; if that makes sense. and sorry, i was crying so hard (how my laptop is still alive is a wonder), but i made my wife's friend (ours really) day SO MUCH WORSE. it's difficult to remember that they are grieving too. and can i just say, if i hear ONE MORE PERSON ask me "are you ok?" i might just lose it. because the answer is NO, i am NOT OK. i was crying so hard at a restaurant the other day, that literally every staff member came to ask me that question. thank god i was the only person in the place... i only go out after 10p now, shop onlie and avoid people and crowds like the plague... the irony of COVID is not lost on me either. also, i can't get the "quote" thing to work... it pops up behind a "technical question" sticky button, that covers up whatever my next option is. sorry, i'm 51 today, and dispite my experiences, i am completely tech-tarded right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 I totally understand that I have these people who check in with me “are you OK” ? Helllll nooo, I freaking want to kill myself, my life is ****! I also have to remember that SOME of these people who are contacting us and asking us if we’re OK really care. There’s also a faction of people who check in with me who just want to watch the train wreck they wanna know if I’m gonna make it. They are gawking at my horror, they want to be the first to report the news if we fail! You will find that you will see the difference and weed out the gawkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 If you NEED to talk or vent, although I am broken I can understand, I am a good listener. Please know, we all have so much grief and we are devastated in our way, we welcome the damaged and the broken. We reach out and let others know that they are not alone, it helps so much. Keep posting...we are real, we are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, ArtThebes said: can i just say, if i hear ONE MORE PERSON ask me "are you ok?" i might just lose it. because the answer is NO, i am NOT OK. I usually reply with “I’m alive, that’s all I’ve got for now”. That usually stops most people from asking further questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SLSD Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Guilt is so much a part of this human existence. It sneaks in, warranted or not. The guilt you're feeling is not warranted. It's natural, that's all. Those who are terminal usually have the same guilt. They are sorry for things they did or didn't do, things they said or didn't say. We all seem hard-wired for guilt. About the things you "want" to do and say now...all part of it, too. You could discriminately act upon some of those, if so inclined. (I did, and it helped, but here's the thing, at least for me: while it helped, it only sustained itself for a couple years--and I suspect people knew I was doing these things from a place of grief, although my actions were genuine. In the end, it helped, and some of it carried over, made me more mindful on little but important matters. It was worth it, I thought.) Just like we feel we can never truly repay a huge kindness, we can never truly avoid having guilt when a loved one has transitioned. Your loved ones are with you, checking in on you, and don't want you to have this pain but know it's part of your journey. It's important to feel the pain, and your journey is to discover the path that will lead you to the other side in a way that makes you stronger. Life will never be the same, a despicable reality that must be accepted, but your loved ones are okay with that. They want you to get your life back, whenever that is and whatever form it shall take. But they want you to start healing. I fear this question will sound rude or insensitive but please know that it comes from a place of love, compassion, and understanding: At this point in time, do you WANT to begin the journey of healing, of moving on to the other side of your grief and guilt? Love and light.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 1, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 hours ago, ArtThebes said: i can't get the "quote" thing to work... it pops up behind a "technical question" sticky button, that covers up whatever my next option is. I haven't seen this before but sometimes when I select a sentence the "quote" doesn't pop up, I try again, nothing. Usually the "Quote" at the bottom of someone's post will work so I'll use that and delete the part I didn't want to quote. It's a technical issue and not you. I didn't realize it was your birthday...I remember my first birthday without George, he always made a huge deal of my birthday but after I lost him not once person said Happy Birthday or remembered, not my mom, kids, sisters, friends, NO ONE! The contrast between how I don't mean anything to anyone else but I meant the world to him hit me hard, I cried myself to sleep. Those days can be really hard. And of course those people do care about me, I'm just not their world. To George, the sun rose and set in me. We've all lost that person. That's hard to get used to. I don't think we move on to the other side of our grief, but I have learned to coexist with it...it will be with me until the day I die...there is no point at which we are over our grief or stop missing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SLSD Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 When I talk about moving on to the other side of grief, I'm talking about the difference between sheer agony and reaching that point where you are able to live your new-normal with acceptance and function (other side of grief). When a friend's healthy husband unexpectedly died after 50 years of marriage, she tried a support group. Her first visit, a woman was there who was in the same pain she had been in five years earlier when her husband had died. My friend decided that wasn't the group for her. She didn't want to be in that agonizing place that poor woman was in five years. She wanted to work toward getting beyond it. It's been three years for her, just like me, and she (we) still grieve, but it isn't like it was those first couple of years. Still, it's there. Just a different place of being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted July 1, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 13 hours ago, jwahlquist said: I usually reply with “I’m alive, that’s all I’ve got for now”. Mine is similar. "Well, I'm alive, so I guess that's something." It does usually make anyone who is asking out of social convention kind of think and then be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 2, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 7:42 AM, SLSD said: My friend decided that wasn't the group for her. I lead a grief support group and I have material we go through every week and have seen much progression with them. We've also developed close bonds of friendship and can call & talk to each other or just get together. I miss it during this pandemic. I find each grief support group differs according to how the leader handles/directs it, should be able to keep people on track and not let one person monopolize, yet let people know their feelings are normal. It should be support, as is the name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 3, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 @SLSD I don’t know abuse the other side of grief. I can’t even imagine. I feel the pain and grief seem to become who I am now. I can’t shake it. They were and are part of who we are. I am so dreading 4th of July, I am glad that the world is shut down it will be a bit less painful knowing the world is not celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted July 3, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 8:01 AM, SLSD said: I fear this question will sound rude or insensitive but please know that it comes from a place of love, compassion, and understanding: At this point in time, do you WANT to begin the journey of healing, of moving on to the other side of your grief and guilt? i guess because i can honestly say "I do not know", that i have NO friends or family... i can accept it, but i cannot move beyond it. i don't see a light, nor a tunnel... just a long, neverending black expanse. and the light i once had, is deminishing day by day, so i cannot even see myself or where i am, in this unending darkness 51 minutes ago, Missy1 said: I don’t know abuse the other side of grief. I can’t even imagine. I feel the pain and grief seem to become who I am now. I can’t shake it. They were and are part of who we are. I am so dreading 4th of July, I am glad that the world is shut down it will be a bit less painful knowing the world is not celebrating. with it being father's day, my birthday and the 4th, all in two weeks... yeah, me too... make it all go away. thank you for your offer to talk. you may message me anytime. i'll do my best to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 3, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 hours ago, ArtThebes said: i can accept it, but i cannot move beyond it. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 4, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 20 hours ago, ArtThebes said: with it being father's day, my birthday and the 4th, all in two weeks... yeah, me too... make it all go away. It’s a lot of emotional days all crammed in together, I understand, for me it was Father’s Day, his Birthday, 4th of July, my Birthday in 4 days. I also got a lay-off notice on his Birthday. Yesterday I finally connected and was able to move to new job in same company, I will stay employed, a blessing but stressful. I am wrung out, too much for someone grieving. Life is so cruel, there is feeling of not be part of this world, our hearts are with our angels we are stranded and stuck here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted July 4, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 All of those firsts at once make for a crappy week or two. Each first that my husband isn’t here is hard. My daughter copes by making plans with friends on those days. She just doesn’t want to face them yet which I don’t blame her for. I am not looking forward to any holidays this year. My birthday and my anniversary are just a few days apart this fall. For once I am not looking forward to either of those days. I fully plan to take my birthday off and have a pity party. @Missy1 I am glad that they found you a new position. That has to be a bit of a relief, right? Sending you both ((HUGS)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 4, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Missy, I am more than thrilled for you! They must value you and your work or they would not have found you another position. I know it's stressful as it's a different position but most places want to help you be successful as they don't want to have to start over with someone unknown to them. You're in a better position than looking for work in these times at the ripe age of over 40, ha! I never considered myself "old" in my 50s but apparently prospective employers did, they wouldn't hire me regardless of my great experience and references! I wish you all the best going forward, just know that all of us here believe in you and know you'll do great at it, in spite of how you're feeling. 12 hours ago, jwahlquist said: My birthday and my anniversary are just a few days apart this fall. My birthday and our anniversary are both in October, you're right having them so close together can be tough. I find his death day and birthday are harder for me to get through, esp. being at Father's Day, my dad's birthday, and my parent's anniversary. Just too much at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SLSD Posted July 4, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Ugh to the firsts of everything. Hugs to you. My husband died in May, and also in May...on the same day...is our anniversary, his memorial, and Memorial Day. Clearly, the Universe decided to test my resolve. The only "good" thing is that it's been three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 4, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 @KayCThank you, this opportunity saved my life, literally. It was very serious I was back to feeling completely hopeless, thinking i didn’t want to stick around and experience losing the little I had left of my life. It truly was a miracle, many are getting layed-off, there are no jobs posted. Somehow this manager saw my skills and felt I was worth saving, it will be different and high stress but I am okay with that. I will bust my tail for these people they know I have a good reputation, I felt that God had a hand in this, I pray for others who will have to leave the company, it’s so sad. @SLSD this is all feels like a test, we feel assaulted by the universe. It gives me courage and hope reading about others who survive even more challenges than I am facing. There are people here who I admire so much they keep going in the dark, finding a flicker of light. They share their light and strength with us, I am grateful. Today is about hunkering down for a horrible sad day, we always made a big deal of the 4th of July. Here I am all alone, like many here, broken and missing our hearts. I wish everyone strength to get these challenging times. COVID is making it so much worse for us, It’s feels surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 5, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 This COVID on top of grief feels overwhelming. People are facing too much. 4th of July felt very anti-climatic this year. No fireworks, no family get-togethers, no barbecues, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SLSD Posted July 5, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 @Missy1: "we feel assaulted by the universe." Can't say I haven't felt that at times, but I usually try to see the hard balls thrown at me as an opportunity to improve my catch. (I should give a better analogy. But I won't.) There have been a continual string of battles since he died that I never thought I'd have to face, or thought I would handle successfully, but I did and I'm proud. We all need to be proud of ourselves for not only having eyes forward and putting one foot in front of the other but for what we are able to accomplish during tough or dark times. Like you and your job! That's a big attagirl !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted July 5, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 19 hours ago, KayC said: This COVID on top of grief feels overwhelming. People are facing too much. 4th of July felt very anti-climatic this year. No fireworks, no family get-togethers, no barbecues, nothing. I so agree. Last year our block had its usual big 4th of July party. It was as always a free-for-all, including old neighbors who moved to another town several miles away. So much fun and laughter, tables of food and drinks, everyone enjoying being together. We stayed outside in the street for hours. This year we had a socially distanced "BYO everything" gathering. We all sat apart in our own chairs in the middle of the street. It was nice to all be there, but it felt so strange. No BBQ, no platters and bowls of everyone's favorites, not "Want another glass of wine or lemonade?" and no being close or hugging. It was almost sad. Many people interviewed on the news or just talking locally seem to feel that COVID isolation is as bad as grieving a loved one. Some say they have PTSD from it. While those feelings are valid and there's truth to prolonged lack of contact being detrimental to our health, the selfish, small part of me wants to make it a contest: You think your life is hard these days? Think separation is bad? Try doing it without your spouse. Go ahead; I dare you. Try waking up each day knowing that the grief journey you're on has been set back again." But I try to put those thoughts aside and just get through my own difficult days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Missy1 Posted July 6, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, foreverhis said: ome say they have PTSD from it. While those feelings are valid and there's truth to prolonged lack of contact being detrimental to our health, the selfish, small part of me wants to make it a contest: You think your life is hard these days? Think separation is bad? Try doing it without your spouse. Go ahead; I dare you. Try waking up each day knowing that the grief journey you're on has been set back again." But I try to put those thoughts aside and just get through my own difficult days. They have no clue, but someday they will, every one will die, most will not die at the same time their spouse does. It’s a different scenario for everyone. Those of us who were madly in love will have complicated grief. I know couples who take separate vacations, sleep separated and are only in a relationship of convenience. That is not me or others here, we loved so deeply we are crushed because we were all in, and loved with abandonment. We can’t stop our heats and souls from longing to be whole again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 6, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 15 hours ago, foreverhis said: the selfish, small part of me wants to make it a contest: You think your life is hard these days? Think separation is bad? Try doing it without your spouse. Go ahead; I dare you. Try waking up each day knowing that the grief journey you're on has been set back again." I HAVE told people that, I can't bear to hear their whining about having to live with their husband 24/7 when we'd give anything to be doing just that! Maybe it'll help them put it into perspective. I think of it like a wake up call to them to see what they have. It truly IS harder going through this alone, grieving. I'm sorry your block party was not like last year's, I remember your telling us about it. I, too, am missing all my neighbors...and my church as it was, 2/3 of the people are not coming any more. 13 hours ago, Missy1 said: I know couples who take separate vacations, sleep separated and are only in a relationship of convenience. I know some that way too...still together after all these years. Makes you wonder why we had to lose our soul mates while their semi-empty marriages are still intact. I had a lengthy marriage that was that way, it didn't have the love and closeness in it that George and mine did. I'd take the one with George any day over that, even if it was all too brief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted July 6, 2020 Members Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, KayC said: I think of it like a wake up call to them to see what they have. You're right, Kay. I've only mentioned it to a few people, but the truth is that they're not the ones who need to be reminded of what they have. My sister and I were emailing about this and that. The subject came up in part because she's been concerned for me. She and her husband have the same type of bond that my love and I did. The four of us were/are very close, even though there's a significant age difference between them and my husband. (She was a mid life "oops" baby and my husband was 10 years older than I.) She and her love met in college and got married right after graduation. They know what they have and value it the way we did. I mentioned to her how the little things are so difficult and how I miss even the little quirks and habits. She said that hadn't even occurred to her, missing what might seem mundane or even annoying to others, but is valuable to us. She has had to tell friends to stop whining about being "stuck" with their partners at home or complaining how they're grieving what used to be "normal," reminding them how precious and fragile life is and that they shouldn't take it for granted. I suppose if anyone said it to my face, I'd likely speak up and give them that wake up call. But no one has actually said something like that to me, so I don't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted July 7, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I get a continual dose of that from my sister. She's been married 50 years and takes her husband very much for granted. She's disabled and he takes complete care of her, including doing all of the driving. He's 80 and won't be around forever, he has lost weight and having health issues himself. I know he's not the easiest to live with but he does so much for her and I know he loves her, she knows that too. She doesn't seem to realize what her life would be if not for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted August 7, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 how do I start? hi guys? no hello? no I'm still here, is the best I've got rn. I finally gave up, last night. I won't subject any of you to the details; suffice to say, it was pretty mundane and (or so I thought) well calculated, and designed to be painless, not messy, and as little "bother" to whomever found me. well, I finally passed out, sometime during the 10p news. I woke up at quarter to three, this morning. D@mmit! now i feel worse than ever and more of a failure than i did before... but yeah, i'm still here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Maria_PI Posted August 7, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 [mention=415696]ArtThebes[/mention] I am so glad you are still here! I just came across your post and read in tears, then I scrolled to check and Thank Goodness! This was 2 hours ago so hope you check back in later and let us know.I can't even begin to imagine what you are going through, but most definitely you are not a failure! And if there is any higher power in this world, it spared you for a reason. You just haven't found it yet. It's a journey, and that's why we are here, to help each other through that journey.I am so sorry for your loss! (((hugs))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perro J Posted August 7, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Art, Devastation, catastrophe, I am searching for words that could describe your story and they all seem to fall short. It seems that the life that you knew and loved was both literally and figuratively blown away. I am sorry. I do not feel any sense of Schadenfreude here - I would agree your loss is multiples of mine - but this isn't a game of comparison. It is about trying to find a way to cope with losses that none of us wanted. A book a friend recommended to me, which I am reading now, is titled When Bad Things Happen To Good People by Harold Kushner. He is a rabbi that had a son that only lived to age 14 due to progeria. I don't know what you may or may not think about God, but I promise I am not about to evangelize to you. My own conception of God doesn't really fall within the most popular definitions. At this moment, even my own definition may need to change as it teeters on the edge of doubt. I don't think the book will ease the pain of grief very much - but I think it at least may put forth some ideas that might help you to cope. It's a short read and if you would like it after I have finished it, it is yours. I know you wish to remain anonymous here - and that is fine. If you'd like it, send me a message with an address that doesn't reveal your identity and I'll send it to you. I want to share part of my past with you. Seven years ago I went through a divorce that made me feel devastated. This is despite the fact that I was the one that initiated the divorce. My ex got a bulldog lawyer and I ended up in bad financial shape as a result. Since then, I have been living like a college student, frugal at every turn, in order to payoff the heavy debt that the divorce created. I felt despondent, even suicidal at times. I did not and could not see anything in the future that looked bright. My life felt like I was only here to exist, not to live. You could not have told me three years ago that I would have love in my life again - you could not have convinced me that I would meet someone that would bring joy to my life again. And yet that happened, against all odds. In February of this year, I had an appointment with a lawyer to discuss how marriage would affect her immigration status, I had made an application to the archdiocese about obtaining an annulment to my first marriage because my new love wanted a church wedding. I spoke with friends, letting them know I was getting ready to propose to her. In March, the cancer diagnosis came. In July, I buried her in the mountains of South America. I saw none of this coming. I share this because even though I feel like I am right back down in the hole I was in several years ago, I learned that I have no idea what lies ahead. You don't know either. Neither you nor your family deserved what has happened. As I quoted on an earlier post today "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." In the spirit of that - I am going to offer you my opinion in contrast to something you have written. It isn't meant to argue, nor hurt you, but rather I submit it for your consideration as an observation from someone else. I no longer have a soul... You still have one - it just feels empty right now. I no longer have any hope... Right now - but I felt that way seven years ago - and had I given up then - I would have missed out on the love I just lost. I no longer have any joy... Right now - and I cannot promise you that "This year will be better" nor next year, nor the year after that - we don't know what lies ahead, but at least for a little while, joy returned to my life. Maybe it can for you as well, as insurmountable as I know that seems right now. I no longer have a home or a family... It has been difficult for me, going from house to home, then back to house again. I don't know what happens from here - but I think life will have meaning for me again one day. I don't know how - but it did happen for me before - it is at least possible that it can happen again. Stay with us my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted August 8, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 i'm still here... spent my day trying to do something creative... something i used to do for my wife n kids... made some music... i took bill withers and one republic, smashed them together and added my guitar and piano... and the chaos i feel inside. it's not very good; i'm not looking for compliments... just saying i did at least something today... original/more painful version: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap5D3v_QMsqVgcgY4Zjdr_ldMJRauw remix: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap5D3v_QMsqVgcgXveItUE7iYG_b4Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gail 8588 Posted August 8, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 Very creative. They both are very expressive tracks. Doing something, especially something this creative and personal, seems to me to be a very good step forward. I hope it brings some small measure of relief. Small steps are good. Keep trying. One day at a time. Peace, Gail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted August 8, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 hours ago, ArtThebes said: i'm still here... spent my day trying to do something creative... something i used to do for my wife n kids... made some music... i took bill withers and one republic, smashed them together and added my guitar and piano... and the chaos i feel inside. it's not very good; i'm not looking for compliments... just saying i did at least something today... original/more painful version: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap5D3v_QMsqVgcgY4Zjdr_ldMJRauw remix: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ap5D3v_QMsqVgcgXveItUE7iYG_b4Q My daughter and I like to listen to remixes. A local radio station does a remix at 6 and if we happen to be in the car we always listen to them. I have always admired people with any sort of musical talent. I am glad that you have managed to hang in there. My husband has been gone over 6 months now and I still wake up every day wishing that I hadn’t. Life is just so empty and it often feels meaningless. I still have a 12 year old daughter to raise though so I keep trying each day for her sake. Life now seems so overwhelming and complicated due to Covid. The loneliness is magnified because the person I most want to spend a lot of time with is gone. I would have loved being home with my husband for months and having him work from home. But as it is I have a house and land to take care of and no one to help me. I have pieces of our shattered dreams that I am desperately trying to hold on to but bit by bit they all slowly slip away. Just know that you are not alone even though it feels like it. ((HUGS)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Art Thebes Posted August 8, 2020 Author Members Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 Quote 4 hours ago, jwahlquist said: My husband has been gone over 6 months now and I still wake up every day wishing that I hadn’t. Life is just so empty and it often feels meaningless. I still have a 12 year old daughter to raise though so I keep trying each day for her sake. Life now seems so overwhelming and complicated due to Covid. The loneliness is magnified because the person I most want to spend a lot of time with is gone. I would have loved being home with my husband for months and having him work from home. But as it is I have a house and land to take care of and no one to help me. I have pieces of our shattered dreams that I am desperately trying to hold on to but bit by bit they all slowly slip away. I hear you there... my eyes fly open at anywhere from 3:45 to 5am everyday, and I think "d@mmit!" another day of being alone... I've rented a basement apartment from a 76yr old woman, and we run into one another early in the morning, a few times a week, in those wee hours of the early day; we sit and smoke and drink our coffee, while we listen to the houses around us, full of fights that have either gone on for far too many hours, or are starting way too early in the day... we both think, and occasionally remark that COVID sux, and that we would give ANYTHING to have our soulmates back... that COVID would have been a BLESSING for us, if we still had our spouses... I know that I would be doing my chores around the house, wanting to go back to work; but LOVING the incessant prattle of my wife, following me around, telling me everything that rambled through her head. I'm often sad about the little things, like "mhmm, yes princess, and then what happened?", while I would only be half listening to her rambling... god, how I miss that sound. Like laughter of water, over a babbling brook... I worry about all the divorces I'm hearing around me. I wonder why they fight. I'm sure my wife and I might have had an argument or two, over the past six months; however, I KNOW without a SHADOW of doubt, that we'd be blissfully happy, out in the country, gardening together, my wife painting or doing 20 different things at once, playing with my kids, and just being happy... it's as if she and I, and our family had been made to survive the end of the world together... now, I'm in the city, I hate the noise, I hate the fights, and I have to watch and listen to everything come apart at the seams, alone.. silently sipping coffee and smoking with someone who has been alone for so long... neither of us able to fathom the depths of the broken ocean of people around us, while we silently comfort ourselves with the ghosts of our pasts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwahlquist Posted August 8, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 7 hours ago, ArtThebes said: . now, I'm in the city, I hate the noise, I hate the fights, and I have to watch and listen to everything come apart at the seams, alone.. silently sipping coffee and smoking with someone who has been alone for so long... neither of us able to fathom the depths of the broken ocean of people around us, while we silently comfort ourselves with the ghosts of our pasts... I couldn’t go back to living in the city. As mush as I feel alone sometimes where I live being surrounded by masses of people and the noise just doesn’t sound appealing. I will never understand how people can be married and not want to spend time with their spouses. I would give anything to have even just one more day with my husband. But all I am left with is 23 years of memories. I never thought that at 42 I would have to contemplate spending the future without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators KayC Posted August 8, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted August 8, 2020 @ArtThebes Well I for one am glad you weren't successful with it. It's good to try and hold on long enough for you to feel a little differently...I think most of us have felt the inclination as some time or another, early grief can be pretty rough to handle. Keep coming here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members foreverhis Posted August 9, 2020 Members Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 @ArtThebes I am also glad you weren't successful. I understand why you tried, truly. Kay is right that most of us seem to have felt like it's simply not worth continuing on. The times when our pain, emotional and physical, is so severe that we can't see any other way. I certainly have. Though I never got beyond the, "I don't want to be here any more. I can't do this. I'm done." thoughts and didn't really put any plan in place, in the early months there were times those thoughts haunted me day and night. Please, I urge you to continue making music to express your emotions and grief. As a fellow musician (by avocation), I have felt the power of my singing or playing say what my heart can't put into words. I have let it lift me up with joy and love. I have felt its comfort even when I'm down in the dark pit, floundering and lost. A few months after my husband died (also a musician and conductor by avocation; we met in the theater), I was going through some papers. Mixed in was a sheet of manuscript paper in my husband's writing. I couldn't decipher what it was by sight, so I grabbed my flute and just played the melody line. It turned out to be "Since You've Asked" by Judy Collins that he had arranged for our wedding. Our two best women friends are also flute players (we flock together, you know). They played at our wedding, all arrangements by either him or me of music we love and none of it particularly "traditional" for weddings. Playing that day overwhelmed me, both painful and comforting at the same time. You are not a failure. You are grieving incomprehensible losses. 11 hours ago, ArtThebes said: while we silently comfort ourselves with the ghosts of our pasts. Yes, that is an excellent way of saying it. Please don't give up. Give yourself some time, as much as you need, and keep coming here to talk, question, cry, scream even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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