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  1. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    I always find some comfort in reading posts online from people who are atheists. It makes me feel like I'm not alone. I wish I could meet an atheist in person. In a new pew research study there is now 23% of the population in the United States that define themselves as non-religious so I know there are many atheists and agnostics out there. The problem is that Atheists remain in the closet for fear of being either discriminated against by Christians or attempts at unwanted proselytizing by Christians. I, myself, have never admitted my atheism in public for those very same fears. I hope someday, in my lifetime, that will change in the United States. I also wish there were more secular funerals. Unfortunately, I have never gone to one. Every funeral I've ever been to have been filled with the God, prayer, bible, and afterlife ideology which has no meaning to me, provides me no comfort, and that I find personally extremely insulting, painful, and hurtful. Funerals should be about talking about the person who died. Telling wonderful stories about them. Talking about that person's wonderful qualities that made them so special. Talking about how much that person meant to you, how much you love them and will always miss them. That's the type of speech I made when I eulogized my mom in 2001. It was a speech that was totally secular that came straight from the heart. There were no references to any god, afterlife, or prayers that I had no proof of. My eulogy of my mom in 2001 I was very proud of. I wish all speeches at funerals were similar in nature. That way no divisive religious language is used and people who are grieving atheists are spared the discomfort and additional pain that religious preaching causes. Actually, I don't just define myself as strictly an atheist. I was raised as a cultural and ethnic Jew. My Mother was Jewish. My Grandparents, Great-Grandparents, cousins and all relatives were Jewish so I come from a Jewish background. However, since I was a child, I rejected the religious aspects of Judaism while embracing the culture . In technical terms, I'm a Secular Humanistic Jew. That translation would be that I'm an Atheist Jew. I constantly call myself strictly an Atheist in my posts because if I bring my Judaism into the discussion people would get the false idea that I was religious when nothing could be further from the truth. I don't want any misunderstanding or confusion. In fact, I'm very proud to say that a high percentage of Jews call themselves Secular and reject God belief like I do. That's something I can always take comfort in. Rebecca Hensler, who started the wonderful Grief Beyond Belief Faith-Free Community Site has a cultural and ethnic Jewish background but totally rejects belief in any god or gods. She truly cares about helping grieving atheists like me. I wish others could follow her lead. By the way, If anyone was curious as to how I decided on the Username Everlastinggodstopper, I will explain. Many years ago, I was on an atheist website where I saw someone with that username and was very impressed. In my perfect world of peace, there would be no such thing as God belief or religion. There is nothing more divisive and has caused more harm than religious beliefs. So, the name "God Stopper" just fit my world view.
  2. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Hello. It's been a long time since I've posted here. It's a few weeks before my birthday March 27 and I'm feeling especially sad. The loss of my mom to cancer in September 2001 still hits me hard (especially during dates on the calendar like my birthday). Anyway, I've suffered more tragic losses since the last time I posted. A very special dog of mine that my mom bought for me several months before she died, I lost due to congestive heart failure in 2013. Also, just last year (2015), a co-worker of mine Who I had a great relationship with for many years was shockingly found dead in her home a year ago. While my mom's death was my ultimate heartbreaking tragedy, during my lifetime, I've had so many other tragedies that also broke my heart. What continues to help me deal with all of this is my atheism. The concept of a God causing or letting my mother die of cancer and taking her away from me is too cruel and unbearable of a concept for me to ever live with. That goes for any and all deaths and tragedies. Since there is no proof of the existence of a God, I continue and will always live my life as an atheist. It's the only way that gives me any kind of peace of mind. Looking back at the previous pages of this thread, there were religious people who unnecessarily came on this thread and unnecessarily caused me more emotional pain. That should never have happened. At that time, this was the only grief support site that had a specific thread "I believe there isn't a God" where someone who is an atheist can express themselves. It was supposed to be a safe haven for people like me. Unfortunately, I was bombarded with proselytizing, religious comments that all agnostics and atheists would find extremely offensive and only added to my depression. Again, it should never have happened. Fortunately, in 2011 a grief support site was created called Grief Beyond Belief by a wonderful woman named Rebecca Hensler. It is a completely faith-free community where no religious comments that offend all atheists and agnostics like me are allowed. No believers can post anything of a religious nature and no cruel attempts to proselytize are allowed. Moderators consistently monitor that site and delete all religious posts keeping it the one true safe-haven for grieving atheists that do not want any inconsiderate and unnecessary additional pain caused by a Christian's comments. That site was so badly needed. Atheists and agnostics lose loved ones too and the last thing we want to hear is preaching of a god, afterlife or prayers. Christians have no idea how offensive and hurtful those comments are to atheists. Those Christian actions causes conflicts and pain to people like me. Fortunately, that site is wonderfully moderated where attempts of Christian-religious-type posts are always deleted. In fact, if a specific person continues to post religious comments besides deleting the moderators ban them from the site. Grief Beyond Belief site truly protects the grieving atheist from additional harm. I wish this site was run that way. It would've spared me from having unnecessary additional pain added on to my severe depression. So many atheists like me desperately needs a grief support site that's faith-free where I can post my pain from loss combined with my atheism and never be scared of the unwelcome responses from Christians. That's probably why I see there hasn't been any activity in this forum for years. The atheists looking for grief support and want to express their thoughts and pain are probably posting on the Grief Beyond Belief site and is completely understandable. I read that site every day and the people there consistently express the same type of life philosophies, thoughts, and feelings that I do without hurtful responses I received here. I wish a site like that had existed in 2001 when I lost my mom. The Grief Beyond Belief Site is truly a breath of fresh air and I would highly recommend it to all grieving atheists. According to their rules, there is no way they will allow you to be hurt by Christian posters. While I will continue to post here, I really hope the moderators and people who run Beyond Indigo read my post and try to run this "I believe there isn't a God" forum similarly to how I described the Grief Beyond Belief Site is run. For grieving atheists like myself, it would be much appreciated.
  3. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Hello Neveragain. I welcome you to the I Believe There Isn't A God Forum. I am so sorry for your devstating loss. My heart goes out to you. You chose the correct forum to express your specific belief system. This forum was specifically created for those who suffered losses that are non-believing atheists. It's purpose is for like-minded people to gather (realizing we are not alone in our non-belief) sharing our thoughts, feelings and rejection of belief in the existence of any god or gods and how we cope with the loss of our loved ones. Regrettably, there are "believers" who refuse to stay on their own forum and intrude on our discussions by shamefully and inexcusably attempting to proselytize and convert us. Mark is the most guilty of these horrible actions. He has only caused me and other atheists more emotional pain with his pushy proselytizing attempts disrespecting our right to our non-belief (atheism). Neveragain, I hope to hear more from you and have lengthy discussions with you in the future. You and I have very similar beliefs. Because of this, I think we can provide each other with some comfort and understanding. In the meantime, I hope to hear far less from proselytizing "Believers" who don't belong posting on this forum. They ruin it for grieving atheists.
  4. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    [user=10608]mariaceleste[/user] wrote: Hi, Maria: As you know, the way I try so hard to cope with my mom's loss is to stay busy so I haven't posted in awhile. I came here specifically today because today is one of the most painful days on the calendar for me. It is March 27, my birthday. My mom always made a major fuss about birthdays and special occasions. She never forgot my birthday and had always taken me out to dinner at a restaurant of my choice. Today, is really rough and magnifies the painful loneliness of being without her even more. How I wish I could hear her wish me a happy birthday. How I wish I could have a conversation with my mom and give her a hug and kiss. But, as with every other day of my life, the cruel reality is the fact that those interactions can never happen. Today, I'll just go to work remaining very busy with my mind occupied. Then, I'll come home to an empty home, have a quiet dinner and try to go to sleep hoping the day will end quickly (no different than from any other day). I will always miss my mom so very much. She was a very special woman and the most wonderful mother anyone could possibly have in their life. I have an enormous hole, void in my life that can never be filled. My heart and mind will always heartbreakingly hurt without her. That will never change as the reality of death is cruelly forever. I just try to do what I can survive. I have no close family. I do have a brother but we're not that close and he never spends much time with me. My life is a struggle and I suffer from depression which I take prescribed anti-depression medication for my condition. However, the excruciating pain of knowing the significance of today and without my mom here to share it with me makes me extremely sad even with this medication. I so very much dread this day, March 27, my birthday. I just will try to cope and make it through in one piece. Working today does help as it will not only keep me busy but make the day go by quicker. It is a very difficult day for me which I hurt so much without my mom and am heavily crying on the inside. Through this emotional pain, the one thing that does help is my non-belief in the existence of a god. I believe that the lack of evidence or proof of any supernatural existence does provide me with some comfort. Besides, even the thought of a god existing is extremely nauseating and repugnant to me. One of the atheist books that I have highly recommended previously is "God is no Great: How Religion Poisons Everything:. While there are some atheists who don't believe in a god because of the lack of evidence, they still wish otherwise that it were true. Hitchens celebrates the fact that god doesn't exist. I do too. I can't imagine the existence of a god so cruel to create a system called death where he takes loved ones away from their families causing them the ultimate grief and pain. I can't imagine the existence of a god so cruel to watch suffering of millions from cancer, other devastating dieases, hunger, and other major catastrophes (hurricanes, tornadoes) while doing nothing to prevent them and not helping anyone. That god would be the ultimate evil. It gives me such peace of mind knowing how such an illogical remote possibility due to the lack of proof evidence that any god would exist. I try to remember that every day and it does help. My mind, heart and conscience could never live with a faith-based belief system. Although it personally offends me that others continue to believe despite the painful losses and tragedies in their own lives, they of course have the freedom to do so. Everyone has the right to cope (in their own way) believing what they want and should never be denied such freedom. However, I will always reject such a belief and proudly live each day free from religion, god-belief, and religious doctrine and dogma.
  5. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Hi everyone, I haven't posted in a while because I try to stay really busy. That's how I get through each day. Anyway, since my mother died, this particular week has been especially rough. Why? My mom's birthday is November 23. Each year, her birthday is either right on Thanksgiving Day or days before or afterwards. Thanksgiving was always my personally favorite holiday and I always made it a point to combine that celebration with celebrating my mother's birthday making it an extra-special time. I always so much enjoyed and looked forward to this week when my mom was alive. Now, when it comes around each year, I just dread it, avoid it and hope it passes by quickly. Again, this year, I will do my best to stay busy and do the same as I have done in previous years since my mom has been gone. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving and Friday is my mom's birthday. So it is an extremely difficult time for me. As for the past six years, I will be very much alone on both those days. I see that there is a specifc forum for those to share their painful feelings without their loved ones on holidays who they miss so very much called "coping With The Holidays". The reason why I didn't post it there is because I thoroughly reject belief in any god or gods. I was afraid that someone there might have made some god or religious sentiments that I personally find offensive. Since this is an exclusively "I Don't believe there is a god" forum for atheists and agnostics to converse and share their nonbelief in the existence of a god applied to the loss of their special family member, I felt there would be less likely of any god sentiments in response which would have hurt me even more during this painfully difficult time adding to my grief. I am very sensitive and I just don't want any unnecessary altercation or aggravation. I am sad enough and it hurts tremendously being without my mom. But knowing what this week had meant on the calendar hits home for me causing more pain. However, I am grateful for having the oppotunity to pour out my thoughts and feelings regarding the heartbreaking, tragic loss of my mom on this nonbelief in a god forum. It is the only grief site that has such a feature for atheists and agnostics. I am also pleased that more atheists and agnostics have found this board. It is comforting to know that I will receive no proselytizing here and I'm among like-minded friends.
  6. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Wazastarr, welcome to the forum. You brought up so many excellent points and I greatly admire your beliefs and conclusions. The cruel suffering you and your daughter endured is inexcusable and should make people realize there can't be a God. My mother, whom I love with all my heart, died a few years ago. I helplessly and heartbreakingly watched her suffer in both the intensive care and critical care units of the hospital. Meanwhile, I had passed by rooms of the hospital where people were on respirators, ventilators, had tubes inserted throughout their bodies, hooked up to other machines while being unconscious and unresponsive. These tragedies show that faith and belief in the supernatural are indeed false and worthless. And these nightmarish incidents happen to families every day as we speak. I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter. My heart goes out to you and I give you a heartfelt internet hug. Your approach to the question of God I feel is the right one and I agree with. Like you, I miss my mother so terribly and would give anything if she was alive today. I could beg, pray and cry and know that some god won't change that outcome because he doesn't exist. While it's so very hard to go on without my mom, I have some peace in knowing in my mind and heart that some God doesn't cause or choose not to prevent devastating losses because he doesn't exist. Without that complete lack of what I perceive as illogical, irrational faith, I couldn't have any peace and would be far more of an emotional mess. I now 100% reject such unprovable nonsense as faith, belief in a God, the bible, religion, etc. and has resulted positively in making me a much better person. Everytime I have something awful occur in my life, I just keep telling myself that there is nobody to blame because God doesn't exist. Painful events just happen. That attitude does help. I thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts and feelings which I definitely can relate to. Take care and I hope to have future dialogue with you.
  7. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Hi Guest, welcome to the forum. First, I'd like to say that I am so very sorry for all the close loved ones you have lost. My heart goes out to you. I give you a strong, heartfelt internet hug. Thank you for sharing with us your heartbreaking story. A few years ago, I lost my mom who was everything to me. We were so very close and loved each other more than words could ever say. I have no real close family and am alone most of the time. I always had serious doubts about the existence of God. After losing my mother I developed a deep depression which I take medication. It hurt so very much and still does. Every day I combat hardships and struggle to survive as best as I can. I realized no God who loved and cared about me would've either caused my mother to have cancer or let her die. So, I totally understand how you feel because I don't believe in the existence of any God or Gods either. And I never will. Since we have much in common, I'd like to have further dialogue with you in the future. Take care.
  8. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your son. My heart goes out to you. To have such a tragic accident like that take place must have been so difficult. Any loss of someone you love is emotionally unbearable. But when it happens so fast and unexpected, it hits you like a ton of bricks even harder. My mother collapsed one morning and couldn't get up. I called 911 to take her to the Hospital. They ran tests and found that she had cancer of the colon that had spread to several parts of her body. The doctors said she was terminal and that she had just three months to live. It turned out to be just three weeks as I stayed with her night and day in the hospital and never went home. I knew the seriousness of her illness and she was not going to face it alone. I never left her side. Meanwhile, my heart completely broke knowing I would lose her. It didn't happen as instantly as the loss of your son but it did happen very fast (just three weeks). I do know how special I was to my mom. Every day she told me she loved me so I'd never forget it. I haven't. She told me many times "You are my heart and you are my life." She told me in the hospital, as I held her hand, that "the best decision she ever made was to have me and she couldn't imagine what her life would have been like if she never had me." I was her pride and joy whom she constantly bragged about to others. Actually, I do have a brother but we're not very close. Sometimes when she introduced me to others, she would say, "I have another son but this is my heart" as she put her arms around me. She also told others that "I was the best son that any woman could ever have." Those quotes I will always remember and cherish. We were inseparable and always there for each other (especially on days like today). Although I take anti-depressants to help me function daily and I see a therapist/pychologist once a week to talk (since my mom has been gone I haven't had anyone to really confide in and talk to otherwise), the hurt of missing her will always be there. As you said with regarding yourself, there are days where the pain of missing just floods back and is more intense. For me, today has been one of those days. Thanks though for sharing your story and offering compassion and understanding.
  9. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    I accept your apology. We all make mistakes. I have so many tremendous memories and experiences that me and my mom shared together. It's just the pain of missing her which tends to override those memories(memories can never be enough. I'll always want her alive and with me). Every day I miss my mom more than I could possibly describe. But there are very special days on the calendar with increased significance that makes the loss of my mom hurt even more. Today (my birthday) is one of those very rough days. I can't ignore the meaning of days such as today. I can only try to get through it as best I can.
  10. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    If you had just wished for me to try and have a good day and other positive sentiments, I would have offered you a very warm response thanking you for that compassion. However, you made judgements about me and what I'm feeling. Unfortunately, I have received those type of responses from theists so many times in the past which has gotten me very upset. That's why I only post exclusively on this nonbelievers board so I can avoid it. It's sad that you chose my birthday to make such mischaracterized judgements. I'm just very thankful that my good friend Maria Celeste replied with her warmth and made no such judgements. It took away the hurt from the previous post you made.
  11. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Dear Maria Celeste, I'm happy to hear from you. I didn't know you had been posting on this forum since last year. For choosing to come here today and post specifically remembering that it is my birthday was special. Thank you. You are a true a friend. Perhaps when you posted as a guest last year, I might not have returned to the forum for a while so I didn't see your birthday wishes. Otherwise, I would definitely had responded. For that I am very sorry. I would never want to give you the impression that I did not want to speak to you. You've been the one person who has consistently offered me compassion, love, and friendship without any judgements. My converstations and interactions with you have been wonderful and has meant so much to me. Unfortunately, I got a very disturbung response earlier from another poster judging me wrongly which did depress me. Your response however was uplifting and made my birthday a bit more pleasant. Again, thank you. I will definitely try to be good to myself today in my mom's memory. Your good advice is very much appreciated. Take care and I hope to talk to you again soon.
  12. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    The letter I wrote was written by an atheist from one of the atheist forums I visit. A while ago, there was a poll asking, "If there was proof of a God existing, would you worship or praise it?" 100 percent of the people there responded, "absolutely not (I was proudly one of them)". That post received total agreement and praise on that site. Remember, these are all atheists answering a hypothetical question. Reading it, provided tremendous comfort to find people with like-minded beliefs. Like me, none of them are filled with bitterness, hatred, or anger because of it. I was hoping my friend Maria Celeste or another grieving atheist would read this and respond because they would understand. You obviously don't understand and your mischaracterization of that copied letter with emotions that were never the point, was the last thing I wanted or hoping for. Therefore, on a very tough day for me, your response is not appreciated(plus being wrong about me)and it's sad that you felt the need to give it. I really wish theists would stay on the believers board. It would make my posting experience far more pleasant.
  13. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Today is a very rough and especially painful day for me. It's my birthday. My mom never forgot my birthday and always made it point to take me out somewhere special to celebrate it. Unfortunately, I don't work today. So, I'm just going to be home alone. What helps me keep going is knowing that since there is no proof or evidence that a being called God exists, 100% firmly reject such a belief. Also, I visit atheist forums regularly for comfort and just recently a terrific letter to the fictional god was posted. Even if the impossible were proven and God did actually exist, I would never praise or worship it. This letter expresses so much of how I feel if that impossibility unlikely turned out to be true. For my birthday, I am posting it as a comforting birthday present to myself on this nonbelieving grief support forum. Here it is: An Open Letter to God... Hello God... I should point out that I don't believe in you, but just in case--despite all the evidence to the contrary--I'm wrong, and you do actually exist, I feel I should inform you why I still refuse to worship you. I'm assuming here that you take the form of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, who created everything and intervenes in the affairs of humans when it suits your fancy. 1) I don't believe in worshipping anybody. I believe it is demeaning to humans to worship anything, even as almighty as yourself. And for that matter, I don't understand why you need to be worshipped. Are you that insecure? Will you develop a complex if we piddly humans don't grovel before you? 2) If in fact you don't need worship, nut want love and respect, well, I'm sorry, but you simply don't meet my standards. You have inflicted on the world such horrors as floods, hurricanes and earthquakes that have caused the suffering and death of random millions of human beings, many of them guilty of nothing more than minor 'sins'. And these catastrophes are minor compared to the incredible damage done by the diseases you have given us. Influenza, the Black Death, polio, smallpox, malaria, AIDS and SIDS have caused incomparable suffering throughout human history. Smallpox has killed more people in history than all the wars and murders combined. Malaria continues to kill between one and three million people a year, most of them children under five. I cannot worship, love, respect. admire or even have minor affection for a being who would knowingly kill His creation in such a horrible manner. Now your defenders (and they are legion would offer up the following excuses: a)"Might makes right. God is all powerful, so he can do whatever he likes." Okay, but don't ask me to worship such a despot. Hitler had power, too, but I don't have to worship him. And why would a God of love want to hurt his creations in such horrible ways? b)"God has given us all the good things in life, too." True enough, but so what? If a mother gives birth to three children, breast feeds them, loves them, nurtures them, and raises them, and then for no apparent reason, poisons one of them to death, would anyone defend her? Woukld anyone say: "That's okay, she's allowed to cruelly kill one of her children, since she gave it life, too, In fact, she is the ultimate in love and should be worshipped as perfect." Of course, no-one would think such a thing. Yet you are far worse than that mother, because you don't have the excuse of being an imperfect human being. "Be perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect," your 'son' said. So this must mean that if a terrorist unleashes a deadly new disease into the world that randomly kills millions, he is merely being as 'perfect' as you are, and should be loved and worshipped? c)"If we didn't have these horrors, the population would skyrocket." Well, it's skyrocketing anyway. But as an omnipotent, omniscient God, couldn't you think of a better way to cull the population? You could simply make us less fertile, which would be a much painful solution for the beings you claim to love. Malaria attacks babies with fever, chills, pain and deformities. Do you enjoy watching people slowly waste away from AIDS? If you love us you sure have a funny way of showing it. d)"God's ways are unknowable." No kidding. So how do I know you are loving and merciful? I can only go by what I see. And what I see, stinks. Yours Sincerely, A Human Being
  14. I Believe There Isn't a God...

    Mariposa, I am very sorry for the loss of your father. My heart goes out to you. I lost my mom to terminal colon cancer. We were so very close and had such a special bond between us. I miss her more than any words can ever say. I try to keep as busy as possible so I don't think about the mental and emotional pain. I also talk to a social worker/therapist once a week because I really don't have anyone else that close that I can talk to. Also, I take an antidepressant once a day so my emotions aren't so intense and I can function during the day. As far as daily living goes, this is how I cope. As far as belief systems goes, we all struggle with a belief system we can live with and what just feels right to us. I don't believe in something just because that is what the majority around me believes. You have to be honest with your inner self. If I could choose a belief system though, yours would be the one I'd want. Not only do I reject belief in God's existence (there is no proof or evidence for his existence) but I also don't want him existing to be true. If God exists, he took my mom away from me which completely broke my heart and left me very lonely. If God exists, he either sits by and watches or causes people to get diseases like cancer but does nothing stop it or cure it. Also, he would watch or cause the pain, suffering, and tragedies that occur in the world on a daily basis and does nothing to prevent or stop them. Also, it would all be part of some cruel plan that he devised. So, the thought of a God existing nauseates me. I can't stand the thought of even the slighest possibility of a supernatural being called God existing. However, I loved my mother so very much. she was everything to me. I can't stand the thought of her no longer existing. I want very much to believe that after she died she exists in some form and is still around me. So, Mariposa, that would be the perfect belief system for me to have. It is what I would want to be true. However, for me, believing something just because I want it to be true just isn't enough. That again comes back to faith (it's definition is believing something with no proof or evidence). I have to believe something beyond a reasonable doubt. For me, I have to know its true. As far as the question of what happens when we die, it really is impossible for any of us to be absolutely sure. So, with the question of God's existence, I can easily rule it out because of no proof or evidence (which I'm satisfied with). Unfortunately, since there is no proof or evidence of our loved ones continuing on (such as my mother, which I'm not satisfied with and pains me to say) I just can't believe it. And that is definitely a struggle for me because it is a clash and personal conflict between what I want to be true and what I just can't be absolutely sure about. This is my dilemma that mind does wrestle with. I hope you understand.
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    gonedog, I have moved on from the incident and haven't thought about it. Why are so persistent in trying to provoke? Your comments really serve no constructive purpose.
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